Terry Brown Interview, July 5, 2010



Brandon Heslop/Casper Bradak

Terry Brown Interview, July 5, 2010

What can one say about  Terry Brown?  He’s been, and continues to be, one of the driving forces behind the  reconstruction of the historical Western martial arts. He’s also one of my  heroes (alas, poor Terry), and – to this American mind, at least – the
stereotypical Englishman. That’s a compliment, by the way. But let’s let him  speak for himself…

When and where were you born?

Nottingham, England. 1945.

What was your early life like,  and who influenced you the most?

I was raised in an England that had been devastated and bankrupted by war. Rationing continued for many years after the war so there wasn’t as much available then as there is now. My father fought in WWII and was in the long range desert group which operated mainly behind enemy lines. Yet he never mentioned the war once, the proverbial silent hero.

You’re a martial artist, and have been for most of your life. That gets automatic respect from many, myself included. What were your early influences in this respect?

To be honest my first martial arts hero was one of my older brothers, Michael, who reached a paratroopers boxing final, which he lost by disqualification. Apart from that I didn’t, and don’t have any heroes  in martial arts. There are those in martial arts whom I greatly respect but  none that I hero-worship. Very few people, myself included, are worthy of  hero-worship. The real heroes are the real martial artists, the ones in the  armed forces doing active service and putting their lives on the line every  minute of every day. The rest of us are just pretend martial artists.

Well put. Your name is one of the few spoken of with reverence throughout the “community,” (such as it is); and you’ve been involved in the modern revival of the Chivalric Arts for longer than most. That said, you have specialized in the English martial martial, (and thank God you did). When did you first become aware of all this stuff?

I first became aware of WMA/English martial arts  whilst reading a biography of Bob Fitzimmons. The book contained a reference to a backsword, which was a weapon I had never heard of. I set out to discover what it was and little by little unearthed the treasure that is [the] Western Martial Arts.

When did you decide to become  involved in the modern revival?

As I discovered more and more about English martial arts I came to the conclusion that it was a part of my heritage that should be revived and brought to the public’s attention once again. I first began seriously researching English and European martial arts in 1980. It was more  time-consuming in those days because the world wide web wasn’t available to the public, nor did the libraries have computerised catalogues in those days. Everything had to be searched for the old-fashioned way by searching through hundreds of catalogues and indexes but it was absolutely fascinating, and some of the most enjoyable years of my life.

Who were the other key players when you first took up the baton of bringing the Art of Silver, Swetnam, etc., back into practice in the modern day?

As far as I knew then there weren’t any. I worked totally alone and was unaware of anyone else doing anything similar. There were of course people like the great and wonderful AVB Norman, whom I had the great  honour and pleasure of meeting but such people weren’t actively involved in martial arts research. Once Mr. Norman found out what I was doing he started pointing out sources to me, as well as encouraging me in my task. It came as a complete and total surprise to me when I found out that John Clements had published a book in the same month as mine, (March 1997). Until that time I hadn’t heard of any other WMA researchers.

Silver is quoted more than any other English source. What, in your opinion, are some misconceptions about Silver and his advice?

It’s not for me to criticise other people’s interpretations. Though I will say that sometimes people over-complicate Silver’s teachings. When we look at the great masters of any system, age, or region we see that they all propounded simple systems. Silver is no exception to this rule.

What’s your favorite Silverian quote?

It’s good to sleep in a whole skin.

What advice would you give a person first coming into the English (or European, for that matter) martial arts?

Caveat Emptor: Let the buyer beware.

What are some common mistakes that newcomers to any martial art make?

Rushing to learn, take your time, enjoy and savour learning for its own sake. Or, as Aleister Crowley wrote, ‘work without lust of result.’ And I think that’s good advice for anyone. It’s certainly been a creed that I have followed all of my life. The destination might be an anti-climax, but the journey can be wonderful.

English martial arts is a favorite of mine. What was
inspiration for the book, and what are your continued hopes for it?

The inspiration was simply pride in a part of my culture that I hadn’t been aware of before.

I know first hand the great difficulties in conveying motion in still photographs, yet in your wonderful book – in my opinion, at least – you did a better job than most. What’s your secret?

When I first began reading martial arts magazines I was astounded at how many good articles were spoiled by poor quality photographs. A common fault was taking photographs of people wearing club uniforms of the same colours meaning that it was often difficult to distinguish between the arms and legs of those involved. I always make sure  that the subjects of the photos wear different coloured clothes so that arm,  leg and body positions can be clearly seen, this is, IMO, the single most  important factor in getting good shots. I would also add that the spectacular often looks stupid, by which I mean you can’t photograph blood-curdling screams:) So just focus on the message you want to get across and remember that the subjects are, in a way, props you use to get the message across. Finally and perhaps the most important, I actually rehearse the photo shoot. This may seem strange when your subjects are skilled martial artists but it’s about getting everyone singing from the hymn sheet.

I have a feeling I’ll soon regret some of the more tongue-in-cheek photographs in my own book. Speaking of which, any future projects you’d like to plug?

Just my second book, which is progressing apace. I’m in no rush, I don’t see titles on the shelf as proof of martial standing but as  proof of martial enjoyment. Hopefully I will get it finished in the next year or few.

I know I’m looking forward to it. Hopefully we’ll be able to compare notes. Thanks, Terry! I hope to share a pint with you some day.

Always ready for a pint.